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The Joseph Beuys e-Mail Review - A dialogue between Karen Achten and Thorsten Scheerer [Version 1.1]
Edited by Thorsten Scheerer and Klaus Dieter Schönfeldt. Published by Athena on http://home.pages.de/~athena/ in March 1996. Athena e-text registration: ath-ep963/ach

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THE JOSEPH BEUYS E-MAIL REVIEW

A dialogue between Karen Achten and Thorsten Scheerer


  • Forwarded Message

  • Beuys in General

  • Third Mail and Reply

  • Metaphysics
  • Sculpture
  • Steiner
  • Beuys' Contributions

  • Concept Art and Shaping Ideas

  • Bees, Thoughts and Form
  • Conceptual Art

  • Plaintext

  • Mail Date



  • CHAPTER Forwarded Message

    Dear,

    my name is Karen Achten & I'm from Belgium. I will be graduating from art school this year & I have to write a graduating paper about the conceptual artist Joseph Beuys. I've read lots of books about him but since I never had philosophy & because the books are all in German, I'm having lots of problems understanding Beuys' Plastic Theory.

    Please help me to understand this better (the people of Fluxus gave me your pages as a ref.). I wrote lots of mails allready, but I never recieved a really satisfying answer, please help, I'm despaired.

    Thank you in advance,
    sincerely,
    Karen Achten (Belgium) [1]


    CHAPTER Beuys in General

    Dear Karen,

    thanks a lot for your reguest! I'll give you a short summary on what it (Beuys' theory) is about. I do not know, what you allready know about Beuys, so if you need more detailed information and/or have further questions, do not hesitate to send me mail!

    Beuys' plastic theory is not about plastic/sculpture in the traditional sense. It's about form. In Beuys' opinion, the central question of art is the question for the most suitable form. This means that _everything_ is a question of art, because _everything_ has to have a certain form: politics, communication, TV sets, words, e-mails... All you can imagine. But the question for the most suitable form does usually not occur until one has to work with real material. However, at first, there is a thought, an idea. The process to create a sculpture therefore emerges right the moment you get an idea. Ideas have to be shaped, constructed, put into form, just like material works.

    If works of art are the most sublime, worthy, and pleasent objects human beings are able to produce and love to own, look at and live with, human societies would be more comfortable for everyone of us, if we would begin to think, work, talk, behave, etc. with regard to the question for the most suitable form - in short: it's a question of art.

    Consequences are that artists should face the fact that the objects they create are a kind of experiment that will lead to much greater opportunities (see below), and due to the fact that every human being thinks, has ideas, works, shapes material objects (no matter what) - and by doing that is responsible for all other humans, thus he/she is influencing the others' environment and changing its state - the general and most challenging subject in human lifes is the Social Sculpture.

    And, _most important_, you can't get beyond.. Living on this planet, in a society, _everything_ you do, every idea you have, all the stuff you create, every conversation you have (sending mail to Athena, too) shifts the state of the environment, creates form - therefore is sculpture..! You are responsible - no way out. So take your life as a work of art with regard to society - the Social Sculpture.

    Yours,
    Thorsten Scheerer [2]


    CHAPTER Third Mail and Reply

    Dear Thorsten,

    first of all I would like to excuse myself for my late reply, but there was something wrong with our computer, I hope you understand. You asked me if you could add the mail conversation..., with pleasure, I would say. If I can help anyone by doing this, it will be my pleasure.

    Your information was very helpful, it was a good review of his theory, but I'm afraid that it is not enough. I'm very into Beuys, if you know what I mean, and I need more specific information.


    CHAPTER Metaphysics

    Beuys was a great man with a very active mind, he could sell his work by the theory around that certain work. He was also very interested in the metaphysics - the knowlege of what we don't know, the knowledge of the other world. [3]

    Hmmm... The topic's not so simple... In Beuys' perspective, it would be more correct to say "...the knowledge of what we have forgotten, the knowledge of the former world." It's a very comprehensive theme. Well, here I go - a short description:

    Beuys' understanding of man's history was a history of thoughts, of philosophy - spiritual evolution. So let's have a look at it: Since the mysteries of the antiquity, from Aristotle to the late Middle Ages, man never completely existed on earth (Sounds strange, ..eh?), for the reason that in these times man considered himself guided by God. Man consisted of soul, spirit and body. Man was created as an image of God.

    But from the 16th to 18th century a change emerged, the most important philosophers were René Descartes and Immanuel Kant. Later on, materialism occured and man began to describe himself as materia, as a biological body - no soul, no spirit, just quantities.

    Beuys called this "the complete incarnation process", because by becoming a matter of atoms and countable materia and by narrowing his view to materialistic science, man reached the ground, the earth, completely. This kind of suicide, Beuys explained, as a consequence of man's analytical thinking led man to the Mystery of Golgatha (the hill, where Jesus was crucified). In materialism, man is dead, crucified by himself on the Cartesian coordinates.

    The possibility and necessity that occurs is to rise like Jesus did. Man killed God (Nietzsche wrote in Zarathustra that we still could see God's blood on our hands), man killed himself... The consequence is that for the first time man stands on earth in freedom, not guided by anyone, but himself. He will be the one he will create (J. P. Sartre).

    This is what Beuys meant with the "evolution principle". Man has to create himself. He has to be his own God - has to create his dignity by himself. (keyword: the will to create; the will to power/Nietzsche.) So man has to re-invent what he has forgotten by cutting it out of his self-description.

    There's a drawing by Beuys: "Evolution" (1974, pencil, privat collection of Volker Harlan, Bochum) that shows what I tried to describe. A detail of it shows (from left to right) the words "Christus", "Plazenta", "Myth.", "Aristoteles" - "Christuskreuz" (a cube and Cartesian coordinates below) - "Sonnenstaat". [4]


    CHAPTER Sculpture

    I think you can feel it coming, some other questions:

  • What does Beuys mean with visible & invisible plastics? [3]
  • You are able to see traditional sculptures - bronze, wood, steel..., but you can't see ideas, allthough they can be/should be worked out as if they were real material. You may refer to Beuys' drawing "Partitur fuer Dieter Koepplin" (1969, privat collection, Munich). It shows - from left to right - a process:


                              Plastic                      | contemporary
    
                                                           | culture
    
    _will_                                                 |
    
    energy    ------- motion, rhythm, soul, feeling -------| _intellect_
    
    chaotic                                                | idea
    
                                                           | thinking
    
                                                           | form
    

    And are you able to see the Social Sculpture - society as a work of art? Society is an abstract word. There's nothing you can see. [4]


    CHAPTER Steiner

  • What is the relationship between Steiner's philosophy & Beuys'? [3]
  • Steiner was the founder of the Anthroposophical Society and Beuys tended to anthroposophical ideas. If you compare Steiner's table drawings to Beuys', two things get obvious: First, the drawings are similar in many respects, second, Beuys was the better artist. :-) Steiner is where Beuys' ideas came from. [4]


    CHAPTER Beuys' Contributions

  • How can you describe Beuys' contributions to conceptual art & in the development of contemporary art? [3]
  • His contributions... You may begin with: _Himself_. The Austrian artist Hermann Nitsch said to me in an interview "Beuys encouraged me a lot." I share this feeling just by knowing that Beuys was there, and furthermore I think that there's no way out - as an artist you have to face the fact that there was Beuys - his ideas, his works. Some may feel encouraged by Beuys' attitude, some may say he was a charlatan, but I can hardly imagine any artist working without Beuys in mind - no matter what his or her opinion is. At least in Germany, one may ask his or her friends who have nothing to do with art if they know Robert Rauschenberg or Georg Baselitz. They don't. But Beuys... at least they know the name.

    _Thinking_! Thinking about form... about what it means to create works of art in the present society. Is it just about drawings, paintings, tiny sculptures..?

    _The_artist_. Beuys showed a way to reinvent the arts as a powerful mean in society and politics. He demonstrated that artists do not have to limit themselves... drawings, paintings, tiny sculptures... the usual stuff.

    Above, in the short abstract concerning metaphysics, one thing - due to the English language - gets obvious: The history of human beings is a _history of "man"_. If Beuys' opinion is true and humans have crucified themselves and are able to rise by becoming the ones they will create, this may be the turning point to create a _present (and future) of "women"_. Do you, Karen, know the German artist Annette Frick? In 1990, she performed a piece of action art together with Gaby Kutz in front of Gerhard Richter's "48 Portraits" (all showing important men of history) in the Museum Ludwig in Cologne: The ladies rolled out a banner on which was written "Die geistigen Impulse der 90-er Jahre werden von den Frauen ausgehen" (The intellectual impulses of the 90s are going to be invented by the women.) I hope they will be right. Take your chance!

    _We_. Beuys is dead, but his thoughts are still here. We still discuss what he has said in many interviews, has done in his performances, and so on... But now it's up to us. We're the ones to judge if his thoughts are obsolete or if they are still important issues. If they are, we're the ones to judge if they still have their most suitable form. Now, this work of art is ours. (And that's, by the way, why I like it to receive mail from you.)

    This is what currently comes to my mind. I'm shure that this list is not complete..! [4]

    I hope you can help me; you can publish everything you want (but first run a spelling - check on what I have written...)

    Thank you very much,
    Karen Achten (graduating art school student) [3]

    The pleasure is mine.

    Yours,
    Thorsten [4]


    CHAPTER Concept Art and Shaping Ideas

    Dear Thorsten,

    first of all, I would like to congratulate you to your homepage, pretty famous on the web, I see. Second, thank you again very much for the information, especially the part about metaphysics was a great clarification.

    But I'm having some trouble with Beuys & Steiner. I know Beuys' theory was inspired by Steiner's and I do know it's based on Steiner's lectures about bees, ... [5]


    CHAPTER Bees, Thoughts and Form

    Dear Karen,

    there is a comparison that is very important: Bees produce honey and put it in a honeycomp...
    1. What qualities does honey have? Compare this to "Partitur fuer Dieter Koepplin", left section...
    2. Bees produce honey and put it in the honeycomb. Compare this to the middle section of "Partitur fuer..."
    3. What qualities does a honeycomb have? Compare this to the right section of the drawing...
    In addition to that you should have a look at "Das Ende des 20. Jahrhunderts"... [7]


    CHAPTER Conceptual Art

    ... but I don't really know if you can describe the works around this theory as "concept art". [5]

    Well, you can... You shurely can split Beuys' works into categories. Many art historians do that. The problem is that this is what art historians do in order to manage Beuys' works - while Beuys was working on the "Erweiterte Kunstbegriff" (augmented art concept). As its consequence, existing categories of art - which are obsolete, according to Beuys - should be resolved to the "Social Sculpture", the necessary work of art at the end of the 20th century.

    So if you're talking about Beuys as a conceptual artist, you are using an art historical instrument: category. Museums, e.g., work this way. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you are aware of the fact that this is exactly what Beuys considered as being obsolete, not useful anylonger. Museums are dead, he explained.

    It's not easy to get it right when using traditional categories. [6]

    .. This morning, I reviewed the mail again. Your question is the very good one... Congratulations... I didn't recognize this yesterday. Some more hints, because I think you allready know the answer, but you are not aware of it yet.

    First, a question to you: What's your general understanding of concept-art? Talking about contemporary art, categories often get mixed up - in books, too.

  • Take a look at Sol LeWitt's essays "Sentences on Conceptual Art" and "Paragraphs on Conceptual Art"and compare it to what is written about artists like Donald Judd. You'll see an important difference! Take Sol LeWitt's utterances and use Beuys' drawing "Partitur fuer Dieter Koepplin" as an illustration...
  • Let me know what then comes to your mind. [7]

    Can you give me some hints which works I can describe (in the line of concept art)?

    Thank you very much in advance,
    sincerely,

    Karen
    achten@tornado.be [5]

    Second: You may take a look at some works I do like a lot - no matter if they can be qualified as concept art or not:

  • "Das Ende des 20. Jahrhunderts" (The end of the 20th century). Compare this to "Partitur fuer Dieter Koepplin"...
  • "7000 Eichen" (7000 oaks): Put it all together: Sol LeWitt, "Partitur fuer..." and let me know what your opinion is..!
  • "Zeige deine Wunde" (Show your wound). It's an installation, but you may make a short list of some topics that are different compared to other installations. In this context, the titel of the work - a kind of invitation/order - is very important... (What does it refer to..? The work of art? The beholder..?)
  • You'll get it, Karen! I'm shure!

    Yours,
    Thorsten [7]

    Dear Karen,

    I have a _new_ e-mail address: j48@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de - please use it as my main address, while sending a Cc: to my address in Berlin, h0444xhz@rz.hu-berlin.de Thanks! [9]

    Dear Thorsten,

    you replied to my question concerning the bee-theory of Steiner as something I had to compare with "Partitur fuer D. K.", I am a little bit messed up now! I thought the essence of the theory was about form, let me explain my approach........

    The bee is very active, chaotic & produces wax - this material it is able to put it in a certain form - it is going to put the wax in a hexagonal form. As I re-read your first mail about the plastic theorie I saw a great resemblance, but I don't really understand what the product (honey) has to do with it, I thought it was more a question of the action - the actual producing! [8]

    Yes, you are right. Compared to the drawing "Partitur fuer Dieter Koepplin", honey represents the side of "will" "chaotic" "energy". The bee itself represents, as you say, "the actual producing", the motion, the rhythm that is needed to put the honey in the honeycomb - to put it into form. [9]

    You also asked me what I understand under "conceptual art", and to be honest I'm not sure anymore. Why? You may ask yourself. Well today at school I went to an artist who works in Mario Merz' style (I consider him as a conceptual artist) He told me that Beuys isn't really one. ???????? [8]

    Ehm, yes... As I wrote: Conceptual art is a category of art history, not a category used by Beuys. But nevertheless it is possible (and very interesting) to ask for Beuys' contributions to conceptual art. And that is what you are asking for. [9]

    I thought that a conceptual artist was somebody who thinks that the concept of a work was more important then the rest. I told the teacher this and he said that Beuys couldn't be discribed as one, because he really makes the works himself and that most conceptual artists don't. [8]

    Yes. You should see what Sol LeWitt and Lawrence Weiner have written. In their opinion, the work of art is the concept - the idea. To shape this idea into real material, should be a short and easy step that may not be necessary at all (Lawrence Weiner) in some cases. [9]

    I am really confused now, but I'm going to stick with my definition: "the concept" [8]

    No reason to be confused, Karen. You asked for Beuys' contributions to conceptual art, and you allready know them!

  • Remember Beuys' words "Thinking is plastic" - an idea should be worked out like a work of art.
  • Remember "Partitur fuer Dieter Koepplin" that shows a production process. This process is valid in both cases: shaping real material as well as shaping ideas.
  • When artists like Sol LeWitt and Lawrence Weiner say that a conceptual work of art has not necessarily to be shaped into real material for the reason that the shaped idea is allready a work of art, you may take Beuys as a kind of proof for their point of view.
  • You also may talk about Beuys' interviews, his theory, his bureau at the documenta with regard to conceptual art. But I would avoid to name it conceptual art - just talk about his plastic theory with _regard to c. a. ..._ - that's not only correct, but also very exciting.

    In this context, there is an important question, much more important, than what Beuys and conceptual artists have in common (because that is quite obvious...): "What is the _difference_ between Beuys and conceptual artists?" Your teacher allready gave an answer to this question, but only scratched the surface... There is much more behind this question! Not only the fact that Beuys (allegedly) made his works of art with his own hands. Some questions to you:

  • Take the "Social Sculpture" and "conceptual art": What's the difference?
  • To say that creating an idea is allready a work of art, as conceptual artists do, would lead to the opinion that humans only had to create ideas, but not to shape them into material, not to transfer them into action. Would this attitude enable us to solve any problem we have on planet earth, in our lifes? But what about the "Social Sculpture" as "augmented art.." compared to the "conceptual attitude"?
  • When Beuys took a liverwurst and presented it as a work of art... Was it really Beuys who made the liverwurst? Or are there more people involved in this..? Can you name the producer? Or is everyone of us allready involved..?
  • Yours,
    Thorsten [9]


    CHAPTER Plaintext

    Dear Thorsten,

    thank you for the information. I had to hand in my work on thursday, and I was very happy to have finished it on time.

    I'll give you a short summary of the content:
  • Biography & photos
  • What is art (with a description of Steiner - the book Steiner & art)
  • A short introduction in conceptual art
  • Beuys' thinking
    Beuys & metaphysics
    Beuys' Plastic Theory
  • Beuys & Fluxus
  • Some works:
    7000 oaks
    palazzo regale
    Fat chair
    Lavandel filter
  • I hope our conversations can be continued...

    Bye bye, hear you soon;
    Karen [10]


    CHAPTER Mail Date

    [1]
    Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:56:01 +-100, From: achten@tornix.tornado.be, To: schoenfe@alpha.fh-furtwangen.de, Subject: Beuys' plastic theory | Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:29:20 +0100 (MET), From: schoenfe@alpha.fh-furtwagen.de, To: h0444xhz@amor.rz.hu-berlin.de, Subject: Beuys' plastic theory (fwd)

    [2]
    Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:50:49 +0100 (MEZ), From: h0444xhz@rz.hu-berlin.de, To: achten@tornix.tornado.be, Cc: schoenfe@alpha.fh-furtwangen.de, Subject: Beuys' plastic theory (fwd)

    [3]
    Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 19:22:20 +-100, From: achten@tornix.tornado.be, To: h0444xhz@rz.hu-berlin.de, Subject: about Joseph Beuys

    [4]
    Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:40:34 +0100 (MEZ), From: h0444xhz@rz.hu-berlin.de, To: achten@tornix.tornado.be, Subject: Re: about Joseph Beuys

    [5]
    Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:56:32 +-100, From: achten@tornix.tornado.be, To: h0444xhz@rz.hu-berlin.de, Subject: Joseph Beuys !!!

    [6]
    Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:50:25 +0100 (MEZ) From: h0444xhz@rz.hu-berlin.de To: achten@tornix.tornado.be Subject: Re: Joseph Beuys !!!

    [7]
    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:33:37 +0100 (MEZ) From: h0444xhz@rz.hu-berlin.de To: achten@tornix.tornado.be Subject: UPDATA Re: Joseph Beuys !!! (fwd)

    [8]
    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:48:24 +-100 From: achten@tornix.tornado.be To: thorsten.scheerer@rz.hu-berlin.de Cc: schoenfe@alpha.fh-furtwangen.de Subject: Beuys

    [9]
    Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:02:19 +0100 (CET) From: j48@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: achten@tornix.tornado.be Subject: Re: Beuys (fwd)

    [10]
    Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:13:57 +-100 From: achten@tornix.tornado.be To: j48@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de Cc: h0444xhz@rz.hu-berlin.de Subject: Beuys


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